Good riddance. Having been in Colorado this week, it's clear that CO is the
new sprawling metropolis of the world--with unabated growth over sweeping plains
(think Phoenix or LA). Utah is already clearly the global outdoor center, has
plenty of growth, and doesn't need another convention. Let these radicals
go somewhere worse (as if buying Patagonia depended on more federal lands;
instead I was cautious to not purchase Patagonia recently because they are
nuts). The federal govt doesn't need to own more than 2/3rds of Utah as it
already does--especially by the very un-Democratic presidential fiat path to
grab land for their own base in the final days, which has happened twice.
That's not an option; it's just wrong.
Peter Corroon acts like the economic aspect is the only thing that matters.
While economics is very important, it's not the only issue that a governor
has to look at. It seems Corroon is criticising for political purposes.
About a decade ago, my wife and I were in the enviable position of looking for a
ski home. Me, having deep ties to Colorado, preferred it there. We visited
several places in the Rockies --Jackson Hole, Squaw, Big Sky, etc. However,
something about the public land use policies in Utah made it seem right. Outside
our eventual home, we hike, backcountry ski, ride the mountain / road bikes up /
down the canyons. We've hosted friends, family, etc. in the Wasatch
Mountains and taken frequent trips to Southern Utah. Some of our family and
friends are also considering making (expensive) real estate investments in Utah.
After following this saga between the OR and the UT government, we are
considering withdrawing our investment in Utah and the money we spend there.
Utah's public lands make is special in the western U.S., and conservation
is more important (economically) to Utah than development / energy exploration.
These splendid public lands are what we fell in love with in Utah and it is what
will keep our investment there growing. The specter that the state government of
Utah is willing to compromise that premise is horrifying. We have many friends
that think as we do.
The hikers come into our small southern Utah towns with dirty shorts and a
$20.00 bill and they don't change either one. Good riddance to the Outdoor
Question: Why can't Utah create their own outdoor retailer's
convention? After all, it has already been declared that "This is the right
place". I don't really understand how a single group, with an agenda
that includes meddling in politics shouldn't be turned around the other
@ UtahBlueDevil - Durham, NCHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! From the corners
of far away North Carolina you ask.... "When did your family arrive?"
My 5x Great Grandpa is listed on the Brigham Young Monument, located North
of the intersection in the center of Main Street: (google search the Monument,
as this site won't allow me to paste a link: Use the Utah Division of State
History if you want it to be official) Oh, and my family arrived in North
America less than 20 years after Columbus was here.... for the record. (And we
do have cities named after our settlements on the East Coast.) You should know
your audience!MORE IMPORTANTLY: I did not say, nor imply, that I
decide what Utah stands for, you missed the point wholeheartedly, son. Why?
Because you made it political instead of family oriented. (Which, BTW, IS what
Utah stands for!)P.S. Knowing who the Blue Devils are (Duke): I
say, if you were truly any kind of Utah fan, you would know that putting the
words Ute and Blue together, in any context, is faux pas! Good Day-Sir! :0P~~
The resolution was offensive to the people it dismissed as a " special
interest group." While the resolution may just be harmless red meat to the
political base, it comes across as stating that every elected official at every
level of government in the entire state has seething hatred for
environmentalists and everything they believe in.Utah seems to
really struggle with whether it really wants to be a hospitable place or not.
Don't get me wrong--I'm sure the governor wasn't trying with the
resolution to stick it to outdoor retailers and their customers, but consider it
from their perspective.
As a Republican, I can't understand what all the hoopla over Bears Ears is.
It has already been declared a National Monument. You would think that having
more National Parks and National Monuments in the state would be a good thing
for the economy, not a bad one. Tourism, not oil and gas, is our
economic future. There isn't even a guarantee from the Trump administration
that they would rescind the decision on Bears Ears. Talk about cutting off your
nose to spite your face. The governor needs to do everything in his power to
remedy this situation. Losing the OR will have a HUGE impact on the local
" 'It smacks of gross ingratitude to a community that has embraced the
Outdoor Retailer show, subsidizing its success and expansion through direct
investment — let alone extraordinary hospitality,' said Paul Edwards,
the governor's deputy chief of staff."I think I missed
something here. Were you giving the OR show a free venue, or have they been
paying rent for the place? Was the DN charging for publicity or running free
ads? Perhaps Mr. Edwards can tell me what "extraordinary hospitality"
that was shown. Were OR people put up for free in his guest room?
Choosing to flush $50 million a year down the drain is a decision made by the
"best run state in the Union!" Just another Republican disaster and
the year is not even a full two months old!
"If you don't like what Utah stands for- GO BACK! OR think more about
WHY you moved here in the first place and support what you moved to!"And you represent what Utah stands for? Really? When did your family
arrive? I guarantee it wasn't before my family, unless you are a native
American. You got towns named for your ancestors who founded those towns?
When did you get to decide what "Utah" stands for? Unless you are a
local dependent of the tribes whose this land was their ancestral home, your
family has no more rights to this land than the person whose moving truck
arrived last week. And are you seriously trying to tell anyone that
a significant proportion of the state's population supports their family by
hunting for food... beyond it being a hobby? You may be confusing Utah with
Alaska, which it isn't. That land was always federal land -
never was yours to do with as you please.
Best to enjoy the outdoors with as little stuff as possible anyways. Good
walking shoes, sleeping bag and tent can be found outside these shows. I hope
Bear Ears prevails. The federal government does a better job protecting the
area than the state.
The OR folks made a principled decision based upon their beliefs... something
that the vast majority of right wing red hat jingo patriots on this comment
thread threw out the window when they pulled the lever for Trump.
It seems to me that there are a lot of NON-Utah'n comments here. Some
supporting our state and others not. Many of the "Utah'n" comments
are CLEARLY from those who have moved here from other states. They generally
move here to get away from the overpopulation and lack of freedom they
experienced there: Only to bring their baggage (and poor driving skills) with
them here. If you took a poll of people who are NATIVE to Utah: Whose families
have been here since, let's say, the 40's or earlier: I believe you
would realize that the outdoors mean a lot more to us than any of you who moved
here for the scenery! Annual hunt's put food on our tables, we can't
do that in much of the NM lands (Bears Ears is one of the new "you can"
but there are limits). There's a lot we cannot do in NM land, that we can
do in 'The Great Outdoors' otherwise. If you don't like what Utah
stands for- GO BACK! OR think more about WHY you moved here in the first place
and support what you moved to! Most importantly- WHEN did retail shopping
become a political challenge- I boycott that idea!
Two-thirds of Utah land is controlled by the federal government. An other 10% is
controlled by the State Government. Outside liberal groups and some groups
inside of Utah with lots of money want to see Utah a vast reserve for an
environmentalists' playground. The people of Utah should not be allowed to
develop their own resources, If the states east of the Mississippi River had to
surrender 67% if their home states to federal oversight, they would rise up in
rebellion against the Federal Government. Utah needs to assert control over the
land and its resources within the state boundaries. The Federal government
should only control military sites, Federal buildings and post offices, for
The radical left and right are both wrong. We need first to get the Federal
government out of State lands. Each State is a sovereign entity by
Constitutional law, read it. Why did the Federal government illegally keep so
much of the western lands and not the eastern ones? Secondly, we need a Utah
plan to manage lands correctly and set aside large areas as permanent wilderness
or park. Utah's lands must belong to, and be wisely managed by Utahns. Now
if both sides don't come together on this, and recognizes each others
point, then we will always be at each other and nothing good will come of it.
airnaut . . .any anyone else claiming "most Utahns want the monument"
are adhering to former British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli's notion
that "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and
statistics."Not sure where the fake 2/3 keeps coming from but
our own Hinckley Institute of Politics poll said . . . Sep 21, 2016 - The
pushback against a monument designation comes as a new Salt Lake
Tribune-Hinckley Institute of Politics poll shows Utahns are split over . . .And like several of the national push polls funded by the Sierra Club
and others, even the local poll did not ask whether Utahns supported "the
executive order" creating Bears Ears. And the reason they do not to ask is
because they already know from years of polling Utahns regarding executive order
action (e.g. Clinton exec. order on Grand Staircase) that a majority of Utahns
DO NOT SUPPORT the POTUS executive order of doing business to protect federal
I would like to see the "economic impact" of the millions that are
allegedly lost here. I am sure there are some venues and hotels that lose out
but I think most of the millions are going from Utah consumers to the Outdoor
retailers. I think this is a big stink about losing a left wing granola event.
andyjaggy said "it makes no sense for the OR to stay in a state that is so
hostile to the very idea of public lands, the states efforts to seize control of
Federally owned land"Might we remind you and all the others who
think this that the land was Utah's long before it was the Federal
government's.And before that, it was many other entities
lands.So its silly to keep saying any land in Utah is
'Federally owned land'..... It is that ONLY because they keep
appropriating it (against Utahns and others wishes) over the last 121 years.
Hey... Outdoor Show! ... Don't let Echo Canyon hit you in the butt on your
@ RBC - Cody, WY - Well written comment but your premise is inaccurate.
Governor Herbert has never advocated the transfer of title of Bears ears to Utah
but rather has been very vehement in his call for "collaborative
legislation".This where the OR show, Peter Metcalf, et. al have
been so effective in wide spread misinformation. Masterful, in fact, as they
tell partial truths mixed with inaccurate hyperbole that is swallowed hook, line
and sinker by a portion of the populace who won't/don't expend the
effort to research the truth.Furthermore, "collaborative
legislation" is what the aforementioned group fears most because it means
that they will not get everything they want and will likely be precluded from
creating a private playground rather than agreeing to mixed use that will
benefit nearly everyone to some degree.At no level can I see where
local government seeking input on how public lands are managed is wrong or
inappropriate. Rather, to sit silently without working for such influence would
be inexcusable. For the Federal Government to exclude that input borders on
Sorry but I see quite a bit of myopia in the comments here.Many of you
seem to want to tell a group that's bringing in millions of dollars and
adding to The Prestige of Utah how they should think.The outdoor industry
is driven by a youthful attitude. An awful lot of those young outdoorsy people
are very turned off by the Bears ears issue and they are still very turned off
by Proposition 8 which they blame on Utah.As someone who spent years
attending trade shows I can tell you that when the show does not have a young
attitude and cater to the younger newer visitors, it starts to lose business to
competitors.All of us have heard the old phrase "the customer is
always right" - - that idea's been perpetuated because losing customers
means going out of business.I wonder why so many here are calling the
customer wrong instead of asking why Utah could not do what was necessary to
keep their business?Any chance that is indicative of an attitude that
probably needs to change?
All this talk about protecting our environment, does anyone ever notice the
times of the OR summer and winter shows are at the worst inversion periods in
Salt Lake City? The Sundance festival comes to Park City at the worst inversion
period. Take a drive long 2200 west during these gatherings and note the many
private jets parked. They all fly in with their high carbon footprints blasting
pollution into our air, then demand we accommodate them. Where is the liberal
environmentalists' out cry. Oh yea, money talks and liberal
environmentalists are not going to offend their patrons.As far as I
am concerned, Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Good-bye.
There is a loss of money to Utah from losing the show. But the retailers are
losing money also. They may find they do not make as many sells somewhere else
and will be wanting to come back. The other issue is we have a lot of national
parks and recreation areas. Many of our parks are past capacity, we certainly
are a known place worldwide to come and experience the outdoors. It seems to me
that those companies that want to sell here; should promote the state; rather
than detract from it. We should give special consideration for those companies
that choose to support and promote our state. Outdoor gear is useless unless
you have somewhere to go to use it. Even with the loss of the show our state
will still bring in a lot of money due to our unique outdoors. The companies
that are part of the show will still want to sell their wares here. We should
give those companies that are opposed to moving the show some perks for their
" 'It smacks of gross ingratitude to a community that has embraced the
Outdoor Retailer show, subsidizing its success and expansion through direct
investment — let alone extraordinary hospitality,' said Paul Edwards,
the governor's deputy chief of staff."The gross ingratitude
is on the other foot, Governor. Time to look in the mirror.
It's good our elected officials are standing up to the outdoor retailers
bully tactics. Salt Lake City is not the backwater it used to be. Something else
great will come along to replace them. Note to show organizers: If
you want to host a show in Salt Lake with it's incredible backdrop and
great accessibility, feel free but don't think that gives you license to
run the place. Meanwhile, I'll make a note not to shop with North Face,
Black Diamond, Patagonia and REI. Your job is to make and sell the stuff we
want, nothing more.
The governor said the people he talked to thought the rabbit ears shouldn't
be protected. I suggest next time he talks to people about similar issues he
ventures further than his office hallway.The outdoor retailer show
was not holding him hostage, as the petroleum industry already has him backed
into a corner. He was trying to put the best spin on it but political foibles
are not always successful.the Uintah basin has the highest
unemployment in the state, what wealth did oil and gas create there? The big
companies came used locals took their profits and moved on.Governor
you say you want to work with the outdoor show but you don't want to change
your stance and work with the Feds.You can't always have it
Good riddance to them.
RE: “The Outdoor Retailer show is telling Salt Lake City to take a hike
following a "curt" conference call with the governor.”Way to go Utah!That is EXACTLY the kind of thing you can expect to
happen when have Republicans running your state.If you expect to
interact with decent people outside your state, then you must REMOVE yourself
from the Republican dirty deeds that most Americans find so repugnant.. . . Unless you WANT to lose money and opportunities for your state and
your citizens.That's fine. Outdoor retailers can take their
shows to Albuquerque.Utah's loss can be New Mexico's gain.
New Mexico LOVES GOP leadership . . . In competing states.Essentially Gary Herbert and his gang have instituted a new and completely
unnecessary tax on Utahans. And in return for paying that tax, Utahans get
absolutely NOTHING. That is solid Trumpian thinking.. . . Brilliant!
I confess I only read about half the comments, but in those I did read I saw a
complete lack of understanding for the customers of that trade show.I saw
a number of comments saying that the attendees will be sorry that they're
too far from the mountains if in Denver.No one said "oh goodness the
people who want to attend this trade show are very interested in land
preservation and we are turning them off"No one said "they have to
move the show away from anti conservation Utah because they will be vulnerable
to somebody starting a show in a more friendly place"There were a
number of sour grapes and even snotty comments but not much understanding of the
store personnel who attend shows like that and their sensibilities.No one
wrote that the young customers in many of the shops that trade at the show and
the young people that work at the manufacturers might be upset by the Bears ears
issue and by the general attitude of "business first" in Utah.Of
course I am out of state so some of you may resent my opinion, but the people
who attend the show are pretty much all from out of state
Don't worry Utah.Herbert will make up the $50 Million lostby
Raising our Taxes
There is a clear distinction between the Western Hunting & Conservation Expo
and the Outdoor Retail Show affiliations. Both claim conservation, both groups
depend on each other for gear and sales. However one group in particular has a
very trendy and opposing agenda in the United States in this current year.
Unfortunately many of the decision makers in have left views and want to score
popularity votes. Colorado is fairly liberal correct?
@ Marxist. Thank you for pointing out the Antiquities Act. I admit that I have
not studied it. However, I believe the Antiquities Act, the real purpose for
it, is being misused when such a large area is taken. Would you, and others,
be willing to study it and help me understand the real purpose of the
Antiquities Act? I would appreciate it. I'll make the effort also. Have
a great day.P.S. I mean this sincerely. A LITTLE bit of
understanding can be a dangerous thing.
Our elected officials could have chosen a collaborative path to solution a year
ago but they didn't. Instead they stoked the anti-fed ideology and pasted
it all over the press. They didn't have a critical mass of support from the
native American community and the rest of us who simply don't trust their
environmental intentions. It's a bit hard for folks to trust the
environmental intention of a cadre of federal elected officials incapable by
political definition of recognizing the scientific consensus of fossil fuel
caused climate change. Utah doesn't have the funding to manage
federal lands. The whole concept of State control of federal land is funded by
the sale or leasing of a portion of those lands to commercial, including
extractive industry interests.It's time to turn our attention to
working with all stakeholders on effective management plans for our federal
lands and drop the ideology driven power plays. Regardless of which political
side we take power politics feels good when it works for us, not so good when it
Good job. The state of Utah simply does not value the outdoor recreation
industry. I'm surprised your governor isn't trying to shut down Park
City ski hills to bring back silver mining.
Good for the retailers.Hopefully, they are just the first of many.
I say good riddance! I can enjoy the outdoors just fine without all of the high
priced items they sale. Have you seen the prices at that event? Incredible.
So the Utah alt.right says "good riddance" to the ultra liberal outdoor
retailers. Very smart move. Soon the unintended consequences will surface: bad
press, Utah linked to the Trump presidency, many other conventions decide to
pass on Utah, slow death of City Creek and downtown shops and restaurants. Maybe
Kennecott can strip mine the rest of the valley. If people would only read their
bible, they would know that you reap what you sow.
The Republicans have been asking for this type of retribution for years of
actions, legislatively and executive actions. What a shame for the people of
Utah. There is no separation of powers in Utah and our President doesn't
want the judicial and legislative actions to thwart his desire for power.
Having lived in Germany, even in the early 1970s that type of desire of people
for nationalism was still there after the 1930s and war and being thrown to the
ground. Unrighteousness dominion and not ensuring the safety and
welfare of society as a whole for citizens and those living and visiting our
country.Utah citizens deserve more from these men. The women of
Utah politics usually are Democrats and have feelings of charity, kindness and
love for all of God's creations.
The debate between "action" and "reaction" could go on
forever.For me, the greater concern is the national underlying trend
of what happens to America's lands.Historically, the process
for land ownership has followed this pattern: Free Land > Indian Land
> Federal Land > State Land > Private Land. Most
recall pleasant memories when fishing, hunting, picnics or family gatherings in
many public parts of Utah, only to find them now closed (no
trespassing/locked/gated) to public access. This is the trend and someone needs
to insure that public, accessible lands will be available for future
generations. I do not think the State Legislature will do that ! I
am not opposed to those to have sufficient funds to acquire property;
unfortunately, I am not able to compete in the auctions for hundreds of acres of
available public land (e.g. see history of distribution of School Trust Lands).
I hope that the splendor of Utah will always be seen and enjoyed by
many eyes, not just a few.
Truly a shame it has come to this, but our political leadership is totally out
of touch with Utahns, except the under-the-rock types like Noel. Now they can
concentrate of further fouling our air with polluting industries, while claiming
it is cleaner than ever.
So Utah chose oil, gas and mining, industries that will come in, take out the
resources, which are finite and expendable, and then leave, with a trail of
damage and destruction to the landscape. Do not trespass signs will go up.
Outdoor recreation, hunting, fishing, a better and cleaner environment, are
tossed. Utah's politicians have chosen self-serving special interests over
the will and desires of the people.
I think the governor's office spokesperson has this backward. Rather than
"offensive' on the part of the outdoor industry, it's
"offensive" that the state would be willing to turn its back on a group
that has brought so much revenue to the area. The subsidies mentioned are a
pittance to what the event brings in. Given the "subsidies" the state
affords the extraction industries in Utah that pay little by way of taxes for
their activities, the outdoor industry has done far more for the benefit of this
state and cost the state far less. The hubris exhibited by the governor's
office is what's offensive!
Hey Corroon, Dem's take just as money from outside of Utah for political
campaigns. The cost of doing business in Colorado will go up and they will have
to travel hours to get to different venues. I love it. They bit off more than
they can chew.......based on another liberal hissy fit.
Despite ones view on BENM The antiquities act is grossly misused and itself
quite antiquated. Such actions should be initiated in congress.If
the "antiquated" act is used it should be used for very limited areas.
Timp Cave NM, small area is an example.
Good for them. Utah leaders have failed SLC businesses. The majority of Utahns
want the monument. The majority of Americans like public land protected. Utah "leaders" have no foresight. Utah leaders did this. Locals
opposed the Grand Canyon becoming a Monument. Just like locals opposed Zion.
Just like locals opposed the Tetons.Now, all these decades later, the
parks are what brings the jobs, not digging holes in the ground and a bunch of
dusty ATV trails.Herbert failed us on this. In 100 years from now everyone
in San Juan County will be grateful for the Monument.
@bored......if they wanted to drill, they would have already done it. It's
a ruse and scare tactic by the environmentalists.
Utefan60:re: "Herbert can shoulder the economic disaster that
the radical rights policies have put upon this state."Hahaha!
Utah has one of the fastest growing economies of any state in the union. That
is in part because of conservative, business friendly policies that encourage
entrepreneurism and growth. Most of the blue states in the union have seen
their economies lag well behind the average state. The blue states cave
over-and-over to the left's special interest groups, and get a high profile
win here and there that hits the headlines, but quietly and persistently, states
like Utah out-grow the average state. And many blue states have inequality that
is growing faster than states like Utah because these liberal bastions destroy
opportunity and mobility for those who need it most. So, no economic
disaster here! I'd say governor Herbert and the good, conservative
citizens of Utah have built an ever mightier economic engine. Can we improve?
Sure. But I wouldn't put the liberal states and cities of this country up
as examples of how to build a strong economy.
Sorry to see them go. Years ago Utah and the Feds fought in court over Antelope
island. Utah won. Utah has done a wonderful job of managing the island since.
For the benefit of the environment and people's use of it. That Court
decision was a win win.That would be possible here if both sides
were willing to work together.
In addition to not holding the OR convention here, certainly Patagonia, REI and
others should stop selling their products in Utah retail stores. They might
also consider banning the use of their clothing and equipment in the Utah
outdoors--they, of course, wouldn't want their name blemished by that kind
of association with the State of Utah, would they?
Folks are blaming the Outdoor Retail Show for somehow being a bully in this
fiasco, or otherwise demanding their way on the public lands issue. A short
history lesson will help explain why their opinions represent much more than
just a few business men. People need to google the Utah Statehood
Act and read it. At statehood Utah agreed to a number of items, in return for
being allowed to become a state with full representation in congress. In
section 3 of that enabling act you will see this... " the people inhabiting
said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right
and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries
thereof; "Other portions of the act state that Congress will
grant Utah their own state lands, which congress did. Much of that land has long
since been sold to private interests. So, Utah took the lands
congress gave them at statehood, but now wants the rest of the land that the
enabling act--which Utah agreed to-- specifically says they cannot have. That
is land that belongs to all Americans, not just Utah residents. If someone
demands you give them your land...what would you tell them?
Kiss the outdoor demo day goodbye. No city in the US that is close to the
mountain has the hotel infrastructure. If you move to Denver, then you are in a
metropolitan city, no where near the outdoors. Salt Lake should attract the
SHOT Show. Hook & bullet retailers like Cabelas and Bass Pro are much
closer politically than the OR retailers like REI anyway. Kiss of death for a
declining OR show.
It's going to take some time, but our legislators are going to realize that
the future lies in clean air, wilderness, and Utah's intellectual capital.
The lottery mentality, extractive industries benefit a few people
for a few years, but leave the locals with the lost jobs, and a spoiled
environment when they leave town. Just look at the mess that "coal
country" is in!Come on governor, look to the future and help
define the coming world, don't look in the rear view mirror of fossil fuels
First off, like it or not, these are not Utah land's. These lands are owned
by the Federal Government and that means they are owned by each citizen of these
United States of America. Second, the land that has been made into
National Monuments here were done legally under an act approved by Congress
giving the President the right to do so. The monuments are not going to be
undone and it is futile to think that will happen. The current President, doing
the same with past Presidents is not going to surrender power back to the states
on Federal land. He stated so in the campaign, after being elected and now.
President Trump and his interior secretary, Ryan Zinke both oppose the transfer
of Federal land back to the states. It just isn't going to happen and part
of that is the President's plan for opening up Federal Land for coal mining
as part of his energy policy. So in reality Gov. Herbert and allies
have moved one of the largest money making conferences out of the state,
probably to either Denver, perhaps Portland, maybe Boise, and cost the lost of
taxable income over an issue they will lose anyway. Not smart.
@Open Dialog. You hit the nail on the head! Easy for Colorado to make their
claims considering they have almost half of the skin in the game that Utah has?
Fake news. I say, let the Feds run their entire state. Plus the OR show is
more in line with marijuana laws in Colorado. From reading articles
about, for example Zions NP, it has become over crowded. So the facts on the
ground don't support any 'chicken little' prediction.Glad the governor is looking out for the wishes of the citizens of Utah.
It's all optics to these tree huggers. I'll wager any of them that no
power plant will be built at Bear Ears. If there was ever a time to build such
a plant, it would have been done years ago. But that's always the straw
man elephant for these environmentalists.BTW, i just put my REI card
through the shredder this morning. There are other options that are just as
good for less money!
To Sehen:re: "Carman", because of people like you and news
like this, Colorado started immediately feeling a better place for the next
exhibition"Sometimes sacrifice and even war is necessary to
maintain freedom. Those who cave at every extortion attempt will be extorted
over and over. Colorado may opportunistically take advantage of the Outdoor
Retailers boorish and uncivilized behavior, but it will ultimately hurt the
average citizen of that state. I for one am willing to fight wrong, even if it
requires personal and collective sacrifice.
So I own products from many of these brands. I will take them to DI and
purchase different brands. How short sited the outdoor retailers must be
to think that taking their little private conference out of Utah is going to do
anything to protect public lands. Who do they think they are. I think Utah
should promote it's own show, bring in it's own vendors, and really
make it hurt. These types of shows are a dying breed anyway. You had it
good in Utah. Cutting off your nose to spite your face?
I would love to see an 'honest' poll of how Utah's citizen really
feel on this.I know the locals near Bears Ear want to drill and
destroy, as well as our leaders,But as a citizen who enjoys the
outdoors, I'm in favor of any and all preservation efforts!I
wish the Governor valued my opinion.
I love the comments about people saying the polls are wrong, because among their
like minded friends they have a different opinion. Imagine that, like minded
people who think alike.... surely that is evidence that almost everyone has the
same opinion.And what happened to being anti-politically correct.
There seems to be a lot of sour grapes here. This is free speech by those that
run this show in its most purist form. They highlighted Utah by putting their
show in Salt Lake, bringing thousands of people to the state to see what the
state had to offer. When the state decided to take a stand that was not in
concert with the objectives of the show, they choose to move it somewhere that
did match those values/objectives. North Carolina recently has a
lot of experience with this recently... the NBA's all stare game was
supposed to be here this year. New Orleans now gets to have that revenue.
Utahan's saying they just don't care - really shows they don't
see the big picture. Will it kill Utah's economy? Of course not. Will
it have an economic impact. Yep. Enough for the average Utahan to notice...
@UtahloverfromIdaho makes an astute point - what if Bears Ears NM is *not*
rescinded, or the Supreme Court overturns a Trump decision to reverse
Obama's decision?Then Utah is left abandoned, stuck with a
stance that is widely unpopular with people outside Utah... the kind of people
who might want to visit Utah.Utah is getting a lot of the *wrong*
kind of notoriety in how our politicians are hostile to the land owned by all
Americans within our state.The first rule of business is to not
oaklandaforlife writes,"I bet the SLC Downtown Alliance is
simply ecstatic after hearing this news. Over 50 million dollars in lost revenue
annually for the State of Utah won't be missed at all. I'm confident
our elected officials have a sound plan in place to make up the loss".Don't worry. They'll cut it from the education budget.
Certain readers keep saying there are too many administrators already, and too
much waste and fluff. They assure us that they know what they're talking
about, so the cuts will be painless.
@kralon wrote, "Now it is all about hit and run which seems more along the
lines of cowardly or bullying than gentle, loving persuasion (which actually
works)."Gentle, loving persuasion didn't do much for those
black kids that just wanted to sit at the lunch counter.Or for the
120,000 people of Japanese descent who were "relocated" in 1942.As long as politicians are beholden to the money from their big bucks
donors, it will never work.Sad.
Here's your Top Thirty Boycott List of overpriced outdoor fashion clothing
and equipment!Black Diamond EquipmentPatagoniaREIThe North Face GroupSCARPA North America, Inc.KUHLKelty,
Sierra Designs, Ultimate DirectionTimberlandIbex Outdoor ClothingRossignol North AmericaOutdoor ResearchKahtoola, Inc.Petzl
AmericaOsprey PacksGregory Mountain ProductsPOCBig
AgnesLa Sportiva North AmericaPolarTECDAKINESmartwoolJanSportprAnaASSOS USA LLCKatadyn North AmericaMountain HubMetolius ClimbingArc’teryx EquipmentSpecialized Bicycle ComponentsSalewa/Dynafit North America
@byufootballrocks wrote, "So you want to put your finger in the eye of the
Governor? .... it's the little guys in Utah that end up injured, and
that's not right."You have the participants backwards, but
welcome to the long-term effect on the "little guy" that the last 35
years of GOP "leaders" have wrought. The "little
guys" have gotten hurt because the economy is shifting away from fossil
fuels, especially coal. If you want to see a state where the
extraction industries have ruled, take a look at West Virginia. Mountaintops
sliced off, wells poisoned, older men dying of mining-related ailments and
younger men out of work. And a horrific rate of drug use. It was a truly
beautiful state. The fat cats destroyed it and moved on. Governor
Herbert, you were on the wrong side of history when you fought Judge
Shelby's decision. You're on the wrong side now. The decision to
sign a blank check to move the prison so your friends can make megabucks on land
development will come back to haunt you. The Bears Ears resolution is just the
icing on the cake.
Black Diamond and its "supporters " should now demand that Colorado
give equal amount of land to the federal government to be fair. They have about
45% federal land and we have 70%. I mean, they should be
"fair" and have an equal playing field shouldn't they? We'all
all be waiting for all of those land loving enthusiasts in Colorado to give 25%
more of their land to the federal government.
I remember visiting my brother in Wyoming quite a few years ago. There was a
lot of talk about "locking up" land there too. Seems that many of these
folks were from Colorado, folks that had moved to that state from the East.
Then I drove I-70 through Colorado...noticed all of the ski slopes carved into
those beautiful mountains...enjoyed by those same folks who wanted to "lock
up" parts of Wyoming. It seems what the "local" folks in those
areas don't count for much.
@DN Subsciber,"So, a handful out of more than a thousand brands
at the outdoor show shout "Give in to my left wing political agenda or I
will take my business elsewhere!""If treasuring our public
lands, keeping them public and free from development, and preserving them just
as they are so my kids and their kids can enjoy them is a liberal left wing
political agenda, then count me in.The sad thing is I am
conservative in most political areas, but the GOP's constant fight against
our public lands and the environment has forced me to reconsider voting for
them. But hey the GOP's platform says this is our values, so we better fall
into lock step, we better not deviate one iota from them. Never mind that the
majority of the population shares some values with both the left and the right.
@Fitz wrote, "As for the OR, let them go. Someone else will come along to
take there place at the Salt Palace for new conventions."That's the same thing that the North Carolina anti-LGBT legislators said
when the deluge of convention cancellations started the day after the
"bathroom bill" was passed.The "someone elses"
haven't come along yet...
Salt Lake really was the perfect location for this show. Other states have just
as much or more beautiful public land, but no other state has so much quality
land within such a close distance to a large metropolis. That said
it makes no sense for the OR to stay in a state that is so hostile to the very
idea of public lands, the states efforts to seize control of Federally owned
land is against the very nature of what most of these companies, and the people
who buy their products believe in. I fully support their decision to leave and
hope they find a great venue for their future shows.
I usually only comment on the article, but the comment by
"UtahloverinIdaho" merits a response. Classically, the post uses out of
context information saying "the vast majority of Americans, including Utahns
overwhelming support the protection of public lands" which is MAY be
substantiated in some national "push polls", but is certainly far from
the truth in polls that ask about Utahns support of "executive order" to
establish a national monument (a.k.a Bears Ears or any other monument in Utah
for that matter). In those polls, the vast majority of Utahns are very much
opposed to this approach to protecting public lands - and this includes Utahns
in San Juan County! The legislature and the Gov's office have stated from
the beginning they would welcome additional "protection of public lands"
via a consensus-built congressional action. However, no one in DC has been
listening and once again, this is a case of one side using its bully-pulpit
(executive order by the POTUS) to exert its influence on the state of Utah.
Purely political action - - clearly supported by many in the outdoor retail
Now that we're no longer being held hostage by the Outdoor Retailer
hippocrites, we should ALL write to our President and strongly urge him to
reverse both Obama's Ears Monument and the Grand Staircase Monuments.The monument designation SHOULD have gone through Congress - NOT the
very outdated Antiquities Act.At this point - why not urge this
POTUS to reverse the monument designations?
We're not hearing the whole story. I would bet the retail was trying to
leverage more subsidies and deals from the state, which would make it not
worthwhile to the state. Let's see do we protect an industry that uses our
state as their own personal playground where they leave trash and destroy the
natural beauty or do we as a state maintain control over our own lands. Just
because these people privatized all of the Eastern states, doesn't mean we
have to be their recreation state.Also, non of their money helped
our public schools. Which is why we have state lands that help fund our
education. We have democrats that scream we're not spending enough per
child, yet they refuse to allow us to generate money for the schools. Out of
our whole state 70% of it is controlled by the feds. Imagine what we could do if
we had all of the revenue that our state can produce and invest that into
ourselves and our children.So don't let the door hit you on the
way out. Along with your cheap junk made in China.
scrappy do - DRAPER, UT, you said that the State should never subscribe to
corporate blackmail? Right, so why don't you check where the money comes
from that supports the GOP leadership in this state. It happens to be the worst
form of Corporate blackmail. The GOP and Herbert are beholding to those
donations from the extraction industries, Koch Brothers and others. Oh yeah
those are corporations too. Hummm, that type of Corporate blackmail against the
wishes of the majority of Utah citizens is the worst kind.Herbert
can shoulder the economic disaster that the radical rights policies have put
upon this state. All the good will of the Olympics and our State's tourism
was put at risk by the GOP for their pursuit of their donors wishes. The
Outdoor Retailers is something this state will miss. The owners of hotels and
small businesses will be hurt. And you wonder about Corporate influence? The
worst kind exists in the GOP today. Wonder why Evans doesn't want town
halls? Utah citizens are not putting up with this anymore.
The outdoor retailers are following suit with other groups who have lost their
way. The art of negotiation has been lost because the new tool being used is
threat, blackmail or boycotting. You'll end up hurting the small companies
but then that may be what the larger retailer companies want. Let me just add
that what OR sees as power in unity, has just become no influence. Sad but true.
Utah has 70% of its total acreage as public land. Colorado is 39% of
their total acreage. That ranks Utah 3rd in the US and yes siginificantly ahead
of Colorado which OR claims has such pro policies for public land. Well they
don't have much skin in the game or about half of Utah's percentage.
What does OR want or expect of Utah? 100%? Maybe the big outspoken retailers or
the OR Director have others motives...
Waaaah. Do it OUR way or we are taking our ball and leaving Waaaah. Good for Utah for standing up to these crybullies.
"Salt Lake City has been hospitable to Outdoor Retailer and our industry for
the past 20 years, but we are in lockstep with the outdoor community and are
working on finding our new home,” said Marisa Nicholson, show director for
Outdoor Retailer.LOCKSTEP is the key word...or gang mentality...or
political agenda...or blackmail...I hope OR finds a good home
elsewhere where they can march together with the like-minded. The
"Ears" gave them an excuse to move, and that's fine.
Hostage taking is not a good thing. Good bye and good riddance.
"It is clear that the governor indeed has a different perspective on the
protections of public lands from that of our members and the majority of Western
state voters, both Republicans and Democrats — that’s bad for our
American heritage, and it’s bad for our businesses."It is
good for our American Heritage not bad.Everyone remembers Patrick
Henry who said "Give me liberty or give me death." He said it in the
context of Virginia plantation owners (yes, slaveowners) who argued that the
idea of liberty and independence from Great Britain would be bad for
business.So basically, if the Outdoors Retailers are waving a stick
at the governor of Utah for him to neglect the depressed economic times his
constituents are suffering in southern Utah (the wonderful economic benefits of
national monuments have not materialized as well as SUWA promised in the
1990's). It is insulting. Their approach basically implied that he would
forego the rights of Utah to control their fate in return for economics,
political popularity.Bribery is the ultimate insult.
@ Spangs - Salt Lake City, UT - I suggest you take a trip to Escalante,
Boulder, Tropic or any other town in Garfield or Kane County and ask those
who've been there more than 5 years how the EGSNM economic boom is going.
You are accurate that minimum wage tourism jobs are increasing but
jobs that provide a living wage are not and have in fact declined. Increased
real estate values bring no benefit to locals unless they sell.It's easy to look at it from SLC and assume that more tourists and
wealthy move-ins are a positive thing. Reality for locals impacted by the EGSNM
OR tried economic terrorism and it failed. Economic terrorism in the sense that
they opened a "jihad" with a myopic and inaccurate view based on
completely erroneous information. They adopted a take-no-prisoners approach and
refused to look at anything resembling accurate facts. Utah became the
figurative "great satan of the west" and annihilation became the only
acceptable creed. Utah overall actually has a pretty good record for
protecting public lands and providing multi-use access. Wilderness areas are
plentiful. Other protected areas are also plentiful but allow multiple uses.
What the state does not do, is kowtow to special interest groups and federal
bureaucrats that want to create private playgrounds for coastal elites that
limit access and use to only the relative few who want to backpack or hike
wilderness.Certainly Utah will lose out on the economic benefit of
the OR show but I, for one, will not miss being held hostage. I
hope they enjoy Las Vegas (very scenic and outdoorsy) or Denver (where OR
attendees will travel twice as far for recreation areas). Utah is
and remains a gem and certainly those that attend the OR show will lose too.
A couple of issues not many are considering: What about the land
now locked up within the Bears Ears NM that belongs to the state of UT? What about the increased number of people a NM will bring? Moab
and surrounding area changed very little for over 100 years, yes there are some
scars from mining, but by far the biggest negative impact on the environment of
Moab and the surrounding area has been the influx of too many people.
Another foolish choice by the governor and the state legislature. Throwing away
millions of dollars to take one more swipe at Obama. No wonder we don't
have money for education or health care when they throw away money to show
Washington who's boss.
Don't let the barn door hit you on the way out. You can take your outdoor
show to some other state that will fold under to your every little whim. I am
sure there are places that don't care whether the federal officials step on
them or not. They will gladly take your money.
I am sad to see it go. At one time Utah was known for it's great outdoors.
Those days are gone, first the fishing ban, now the outdoor show.
This is a bad move by the Utah political establishment because the monument
will not be rescinded. All of congress understands that a large majority of
Americans, including Utahns, overwhelmingly support protection of public
lands. Unfortunately, it is the same old song and dance from Herbert, Bishop,
Chaffetz, and Co.. whose PLI proposal is nothing but a wish list for big oil and
big coal that will produce short-term profits and leave nothing but an
environmental mess for future generations. Hopefully, they will get booted out
of office someday and replaced by politicians who have more vision and
That's funny LDS Liberal.You knock and insult Utah, and imply
we are a 'hick' state--And yet you live here. :)
I hate bullies as much as I hate stupidity.......but I will keep my comments
fixed on our publicly elected officials. The electorate "message" sent
by Utah to Washington DC is regrettable. Nothing at all will change for anyone,
except that the state's most lucrative convention leaves. Congratulations
to our elected officials for their might for political blustering.
Take your tree hugging ways and leaveThe state should never succumb
to corporate blackmail
History lesson. As recently as 1847 these areas were empty because of lack of
year around potable water. In come the saints and irrigate and settle. The
natives could not hunt live or even bury without water. utah was barren and
empty. So along came Edmunds Tucker on the railroad and seized the land back
from the saints. Now Utah is among the most urban states because Federal
lands slow development. G rowth is on the Wasatch front. Return the land from
Hey Black Diamond, I am LOVING my Leki trekking poles!I was going to
go with the home town company and get my poles from you. But you
decided to bite the hand that feeds you (that would be us.....remember us??Utah?
You know, that place that has provided you and your company with such a great
quality of life???) So I decided to give my business to Leki
I bet the SLC Downtown Alliance is simply ecstatic after hearing this news. Over
50 million dollars in lost revenue annually for the State of Utah won't be
missed at all. I'm confident our elected officials have a sound plan in
place to make up the loss.
I love the outdoors. I love outdoor gear. I love the Bears Ears (and the other
1.3 million acres lumped into the National Monumen); and I say good riddance!
Way to go, guv'nr and Utah legislators - your constant tilting at
windmills, with pointless lawsuits trying to get control of federal lands, and
with pointless opposition to a national monument in a part of the state you
never visit (but where out of state tourists might start showing up, if we
rolled out a welcome mat instead), now has actual consequences, measurable in $$
- you just lost us hundreds of millions of actual dollars here in SLC over the
next few years.Chasing off actual dollars for the sake of pointless
escapades in search of money that will never materialize hardly seems like a
"business-friendly" state policy...
I have been both an exhibitor and an attendee at Outdoor Retailers for almost 20
years. When they leave SLC I will cease to exhibit or attend. It is OK to have personal political beliefs, however when you decide to use
your company as a weapon, to enforce your "no compromise" viewpoint, you
cross the line into tyranny and bigotry.Like any self-absorbed
entity, O.R. thought that everyone thinks like they do. Now Outdoor Retailer is
seeing the division in their membership and are asking for unity.
(www.unity.outdoorretailer.com.) They failed to realize that Outdoor
Recreation doesn't always mean rock climbing and back packing. To many of
us it also includes ATV, UTV, fishing, hunting, and boating. In recent years I
have seen one sign more than any other: CLOSED. Aren’t Public Lands
supposed to be open to all, for all interests, not just to those
trust-fund-children who cannot bear the thought of having to see or hear another
human when they are enjoying the outdoors?
People are always complaining about how politicians are controlled by special
interest groups. Now, when our politicians refuse to give in to a special
interest group they are criticized for their integrity. Telling the people of
Southern Utah to shut up and enjoy their mostly-low-paying tourism jobs is the
height of arrogance. The money coming in to our economy from the show will be
missed but the people in rural Utah have had their livelihoods undermined by the
federal government.The OR show people had their bluff called. They
knew all along that Salt Lake is the Right Place for demonstrating their wares.
Good luck replacing this prime venue.There is a lot of
disinformation going on about the "monuments." If the size of either of
the monuments is reduced it doesn't put that extra land under Utah state
control. It was federally controlled before and would return to the BLM and/or
"Carman", because of people like you and news like this, Colorado
started immediately feeling a better place for the next exhibition, next skiing
trip, next hike. Or good old Oregon. Utah brand damaged, seriously. It's
sad that you redcaps couldn't see the big picture. Money goes where it
wants to go and you can say goodbye to it from your rustying pickup truck. I
keep biking to work...
Goodriddance! I won't miss them one iota.
Good times for all! I don't live in Utah anymore, yet I travel there often
for outdoor recreation which is generally much better than here in California
(except for the beach/ocean recreation), less expensive and less crowded. I have
long boycotted several of the biggest outdoor retailers over their labor
policies and their over-priced, over-hyped goods (looking straight at you
Patagonia!). The great thing about Utah is there are many locations
you can live where you can get to very diverse, wonderfully scenic areas in just
a few hours. Went to Boulder, Canada, Europe and Asia but came back. While I may
live in California for work and some play I still maintain a place in Utah. If I
could only work and live in one state it would be Utah. Too bad the
Outdoor Retailers decided to cut and run rather than continue to stand up for
their "values". Civil, long-suffering discourse seems to be a lost art.
Now it is all about hit and run which seems more along the lines of cowardly or
bullying than gentle, loving persuasion (which actually works).
I am surprised to discover that most of the people with whom I have talked, who
oppose the Bears Ears Monument, believe that Obama’s designation TOOK
lands away from Utah and gave it to the Federal Government. They
didn't realize that all that land was ALREADY owned by the Federal
Government. Those lands never belonged to Utah. Ever.
These outsiders who try to bully Utah residents into giving away control of our
land to Washington bureaucrats, most of which have never set foot on this land,
will only hurt themselves with this obnoxious behavior.I for one
used to be a patagonia fan, but no more. I will be spending my $$$ on
retailers who respect Utah citizens and their right to regulate our own land.
My money will be spent on Eddie Bauer, Lands End and others who understand that
respect sometimes means disagreeing on an issue, not taking your ball and going
home. No more patagonia for me.
Sounds like an opportunity for another outdoor retail group to come in and
capture the market here!
Majority of Utahns wanted the monument, our leaders tried to tell us different,
now we have to pay the price for their misguided priorities.
@water rocket "The comments saying that "most" utahns favor the
Bears Ears Monument must be talking about themselves and the three mice in their
pockets,..."Well consider the portion of the retail market these
firms sell to. They sell their products to city folk for the most part, city
folk who desperately want to get out of the city periodically and have access to
ungated nature. I am an example. I know perfectly well the drive for state
control of now federal lands is their sale to private interests for development,
excluding people like me forever. These retailers know their market
and they have acted appropriately.
I don't trust our Utah government officials to protect the land. I think
they will give it to the highest bidder which will be detrimental to the unique
landmarks that we have here. Environmental protections for land, air, and
animals have been very low on their priority lists (not saying I disagree with
every decision made).I do agree with those who say we may be better
off without OR here. Our parks are crowded at record-high levels--it would be
nice to have fewer visitors.
I am rather enjoying the notion that retail merchants have more to offer outdoor
enthusiasts than the outdoors. A tiny little tail seems to think it is wagging
the dog. I am sure more than a few will miss them and the absurdly extravagant
"outdoor" shows. No doubt millions who flock here from all over the
earth will now abandon visiting Utah mountains and deserts because the two-day
retail show petulantly moves to another venue.
Utah - KentuckyI see a patternLowest in EducationLowest in EnvironmentalismLowest in EarningsPro-TrumpPro-CoalOutdoor Retailers [and their $1 Billion annual spending]
will do better in Denver...Gas and Oil will NEVER give Utah back
that much annually.
@Woodworker "Designating the Bear's Ears area to now be under Federal
control by Executive Order and not by going through the proper channels is
ILLEGAL"It was perfectly legal as per the Antiquities Act. And
you know the issue isn't just Bears Ears. This state is hostile to nature
lovers, small game hunters, and fishermen. As for the latter the state supports
blocking access to streams. My sport, creek fishing, has practically
disappeared thanks to this state's ideology. I say: good for the
retailers, Utah has had it coming for years.
Good riddance. The Outdoor Retailers need us more than we need them.
Utah doesn't approve of Bully Tactics and just let them try to
find a better place for their show. I seriously doubt they will.
So Herbert ended up saying we want the Bears Ears protected, we just didn't
want Obama issuing the protection.That's beyond cute and
it's beyond stupid. Sometimes GOP ideology and dogma has real-life
implications. This is one example and it's a horrendous example. Maybe
Herbert can land a fracking convention. That'll do wonders for this
First of all those saying "Most Utahns" or two thirds of us lets see
some honest proof. I like the Gov sticking to his guns and not being hostage. If
he gave them what they want there would be a lineup of companys to hold him
hostage again. There is a old song "Got along with out ya before I met ya
gonna get along without you now..
I am writing to express my disappointment with the outdoor retailers'
decision. Here is one reason why. Designating the Bear's Ears area to now
be under Federal control by Executive Order and not by going through the proper
channels is ILLEGAL. Whether it will benefit or not benefit the people of Utah
is not the question. It is HOW it was done. When the 13 Colonies were upset
with the British Empire over taxation for the costs of the French & Indian
War, it wasn't that they had to help with the cost. It was HOW the tax was
forced upon them without our their representation. And, as is common
knowledge, this is not the first time Washington has done this to our state. I
believe it is the responsibility of the governor to fight this illegal and
unfair act. I don't care if a conservative or liberal president did it;
that's not the question. Retailers, please remember history and
the laws of our land when making your final decisions. Thank you.
Very glad to see them go and I hope they never return to the state of Utah. Most
of us that live here are concerned about sound environmental issues, but folks
like the outdoor retailers see only one side of an issue. With them leaving and
others like them, there will less pressure on our state lands, parks, and
monuments which will be a great thing. We are attracting too many people who
want to control the good citizens here, and the decision making process in this
state. It is high time we show them the exit. We will continue to enjoy our own
beauty here, and it will be a little less crowded.
It's amazing how many business decisions nowadays are made for political
reasons rather than economic ones. Utah will survive just fine without a bunch
of liberal businessmen trying to force our government officials to cave to their
I am waiting for a comment from the Southern Utah legislative leaders on the
decision of the Out door retailers decision to leave Utah.Silence?I
guess out political leaders under estimated the outdoor retailers determination.
OR, don't let the mountains, majestic views and conservation ethic (just a
different perspective) hit you in the backside when you leave Utah.You'll certainly be welcomed back when bullies quit running the show.
Oh grateful. They threaten to blackmail every other year or so. They can take
their blackmail cash and threaten another state for awhile. Weve being doing
just fine long before they showed up or the dems started making monuments to
themselves. Never having even spent a day here and then calling it protecting
public land. A total joke for jokers who believe such
Black Diamond has an ego problem.
These people do not care about the State of Utah. They wouldn't mind at all
if the entire state was owned and controlled by the Federal Government. Governor
Herbert is wise not to cave in to their demands.
The comments saying that "most" utahns favor the Bears Ears Monument
must be talking about themselves and the three mice in their pockets, because if
this were put to a vote, I am very confident "most" Utahns would prefer
to make these decisions themselves, without the feds cramming it down our
So the Outdoor Retailers Show ends a 20-year co-productive business relationship
over a political issue?It's not only dumb, it's insulting
to the state of Utah and juvenile. If you have political ambitions,
go into politics. This is retailing, and a lot of ordinary folks in business
here get hurt - because somebody wants them to hurt - because of an issue over
which the average person has little control. So you want to put your
finger in the eye of the Governor? Well, it's ends up more like the gang
that can't shoot straight, because it's the little guys in Utah that
end up injured, and that's not right.
I'm not really for or against the monument. I was against it when it was
just ginormous. It is still ginormous but not as ginormous as proposed which
just seemed like a total land grab and if you looked at the maps of what was
left after canyon lands then bears ears snuggled up to it, there just
wasn't much land left for the citizens of that part of the state to ekk out
a living.That said, let them leave just like Facebook. Utah is
thriving and it will be their loss. Political blackmail can't be
tolerated. They will be fine without us and we will be fine without
them.Se la vi
You know, the parks in Utah have been getting a bit crowded. Maybe it's
good they're leaving. Hopefully, the Outdoor Retailers will stop
encouraging people to come visit as well. We'll be fine. We'll take
care of things, plenty of people will come visit anyway. Probably a good time
for a divorce.
15 years from now Utah will look back at today and wish on a bright star Gov.
Herbert and this Legislature had been smart enough not to pick an unwinnable
fight with the Antiquities act and lose one of the greatest economic boons to
our state in the process. Sad.
Whether the show stays or goes, lets not pretend the state wants to keep these
lands public if they gained control. Managing land is expensive and
I can not see how a state filled with legislators who are jealous of the states
with nearly zero public lands would pursue a state public land agenda.
@ JHP wrote: "I thought the Democratic Party was for the
"little guy"? How about the little guys in San Juan County? " The area near Grand Staircase is booming. Real estate prices and the
pace of development are insane. What is different is the type of economic
activity. Folks who liked their logging job are seeing fewer of them, but the
number of jobs in the service/tourism industries are booming. This
battle is not really about economics. It's about a changing world and the
folks who are seeing their little towns changing. . . and a deep-seated hate for
anything that includes the word "federal."
I don't know anyone who supports bears ears......even my Obama ears friends
don't like the fed taking land from the people who live here! If taking
80% is a good idea?..... then mandate it across the entire country and in every
state including D.C.! And if you are opposed to bears ears and want to
relocate to Utah? we welcome you......if not take Black Diamond with you and
leave our state!
Let the Outdoor Retail show move to Denver. Denver is at least an hour away
from the mountains and even further from the aki resorts. This is bullying in
my opinion and Herbert should call their bluff.I don't know anyone in
favor of the Monument. This is too much like Clinton announcing the monument in
Escalante- from the rim of the Grnad Canyon. Ask the people who live near these
monuments how they feel about it. Decisions that affect our state should not be
made by those in Washington who have never even been here.
If you are looking to locate your business here in Utah, I would take a long,
hard look at this.
Re: "Again, my job is to reflect the desires and the will of the people in
Utah." --Gov. HerbertReally? Most Utahns favor legalization of
medical marijuana, not moving the state prison, accepting increased federal
Medicaid funding, getting rid of the Zion Curtain, etc. The governor's
actions on those issues say he is not reflecting the desires and will of the
This is another instance Herbert is spending money and effort for something that
will not be overturned. He is pro business, but this an inane stand on this
monument. Is Herbert too pro business and in bed with big oil, or just anti
It seems Gov. Herbert has had a serious case of Obama Derangement Syndrome but
after seeing $856 million potentially leaving the state the symptoms are
starting to wane.If we left Bears Ears to Congress Gov. Herbert,
they would vote to make it the permanent site of the National ATV Off-Road
Championships. A priceless pillaged Paiute pottery bowl would be awarded to the
The survey, commissioned by The Pew Charitable Trusts, finds 55 percent of
Utahns support the idea of protecting Bears Ears in southeastern Utah with a
national monument designation. Some 41 percent oppose such a move.==== 55% was back in Dec. 2016 --that number has increased by
another 10% since the Monument was declared. Fitz -- Your talking to
most folks is not an accurate poll.Fitz - Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 16, 2017 2:06 p.m.airnaut - Everett, 00 - your 2/3 thing of
Utahns wanting the monument is interesting. I have not yet talked to anyone who
wants Bear Ears to stay a monument. The polls I have seen were not well written
and were worded in a bias form. (polls have significantly changed over the last
15020 years were today they are not reliable.)it is curious to see
your data on the 2/3 thing. From my perspective it is more like 80%+ want the
monument gone and Grand Staircase significantly reduced in size.
So, a handful out of more than a thousand brands at the outdoor show shout
"Give in to my left wing political agenda or I will take my business
elsewhere!"How about if our governor tells them to take their
agenda anywhere they want, but their business is welcome here. If
they need any suggestions about where to put their agenda, I can tell them, even
if the Governor will not.
"Economic development" is not the end all be all of everything. It is
only one concern among many. No one interest group should have this much
influence on an entire state government.
airnaut - Everett, 00 - your 2/3 thing of Utahns wanting the monument is
interesting. I have not yet talked to anyone who wants Bear Ears to stay a
monument. The polls I have seen were not well written and were worded in a bias
form. (polls have significantly changed over the last 15020 years were today
they are not reliable.)it is curious to see your data on the 2/3
thing. From my perspective it is more like 80%+ want the monument gone and
Grand Staircase significantly reduced in size.As for the OR, let
them go. Someone else will come along to take there place at the Salt Palace
for new conventions.
I thought the Democratic Party was for the "little guy"? How about the
little guys in San Juan County? In their category, aren't Patagonia and
Black Diamond fairly large corporations? I hope our leaders will remember who
Everything with the Republican's is repeal and replace. Even if it is
good. Simply because they didn't come up with it. That's the only
Thanks for abandoning the people of southern Utah for the sake of the almighty
dollar. This land was already protected and owned by the Federal Government the
monument is all about control. Now it is tied up and roads can be closed areas
cut off without any explanation or public input by the people who use these
lands. Maybe we should have voted for Jonathan Johnson.
This should not be strictly a financial decision. The Governor should listen to
the people of Utah and fulfill their desires. Blackmail from "some" Utah
Outdoor Retailers has no place. However, if the Governor can satisfy the desires
of the people of Utah and at the same time placate special interest groups like
outdoor retailers, then all the better.
Oh the irony Governor."Herbert said his preference is to have land in
San Juan County protected through action by Congress. He said the issue can be
resolved "in the best interests of everyone" with action by a new
president and Congress."Those were almost the exact words Obama used 4
years ago when discussing it with Bishop and yourself. Let's be honest,
our congressional leaders failed, so Obama did what they could not. Bishop and
Chaffetz failed the citizens of San Juan, the coalition of Indian tribes,
Utahans, and Americans. And yours and our GOP leaders response was to
persecute Obama for protecting almost the same acreage called for protection in
the PLI. The political hypocrisy is sickening.
Ummm, let's see...2/3 of Utahans WANT the monument, the
Outdoor Sporting Industry also supports it, only the gas and oil
companies don't want it.What's a politician to do?....